Calling out mtmynd

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Post by tarbaby » July 13th, 2008, 8:09 pm

Mr. art guy forgive the sock puppet I am having a laundry moment

Perhaps I should have said I apologize for switching user names on you, is there any body here who does not know I am the old fucking fool known as stilltrucking?

Kurt I was a little disappointed in Cecil's reply, this is a guy who knocks my socks off with his imagination. Cecil as much as I admire and respect that empty mind of yours I do not put you on a pedestal. So not to worry, but then I don't know that you are worried. Except you seemed to think it was important to give a word to the wise about putting people on pedestals when I mentioned Sylvia Plath as my muse.

I don't know what I expected you to say. I suppose that is why I was disappointed :arrow:

This seems to be the style of writing lately Cecil. People writing "aboot" what they are doing while they are writing. Well between here and where I put that arrow I got up and walked around in circles for five minutes sat back down here and rolled a cigarette.

When you spoke of the formless my eyes glazed over. I mean like you lost me, because formless is wordless. It is thought less too I bet my life on that. But here and now in this best of all spatio-temporal objective fact worlds all I got is these words. So like Joe Campbell who was quoting some deep thinker said, "the best things can't be talked about"

But still we try to talk about them. :arrow:

He scratches his mustache but does not pick his nose.

I suppose it is my expectations that led me to my disappointment with your reply. I shoulda thunk about my first response to it. Realized as I do now that even if we are all absolutely unique just like everybody else, we each have to be lamps to our own way.

I don't meditate Cecil maybe that is why my nervous system stops at the edge of transcendence. All I used to do was "sit" and drive a truck. And all I do now is "sit" and type.

I think I may have miss led you. I mean not given you enough information about what streams were going through my nearly empty mind (well stoned on my ass mind") at the time I sent the Private Message to you.

He is thinking about getting up and walking around again :arrow:


He is thinking about hitting the submit button on this text box.

He is thinking about a closing line for now

No I will just leave it hang here open
and hope It will still be-here-later.
after I get up and walk around for a while again.

he saves this file as it is
but does not submit it.
runs spell check

seems kind of boring to give you all these details about what I doing while I write this. But I just want to fit in, I won't
(obviously meant to write want but deciides to leave the typo cause its slip of the tongue implications) to write like everybody else here, brilliantly. :arrow:

J i think I have seen it and I got it bookmarked, I will hope I can find it and post it here.

Close for now
I will be-here-later Cecil
"if the accident will"I got to go roll my stone to the top of the pyramid for a while.
again thank you all for your replies
love peace and taco grease
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“Where is that man who has forgotten words that I may have a word with him?”

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Post by mtmynd » July 13th, 2008, 9:55 pm

TB : "I suppose it is my expectations that led me to my disappointment with your reply."

Now if you'll stop wandering around your place and sit down. Read what I have to say - (roll one? tobacco or pot?)

I will gamble here and presume you're writing about my comments on Cassady's words..? You were disappointed in the reply. I just found this out. Cassady disappointed me. I think he even surprised Ginsberg if i picked up on Allen's reaction.. one of disengagement for a moment there that he (Allen) glazed over with a chuckle. Cassady seemed uncomfortable with the camera in his face (i don't blame him) which probably had everything to do with his demeanor. you know? But! i thought my comments on his comments were actually quite good. I was disappointed that you didn't think so. ((haha!))

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Post by stilltrucking » July 13th, 2008, 10:03 pm

Maybe tinker tinky too much Bertrand Russell, got dam those pedestals.
Maybe the dead do know something.
I could google faulkner I think Requeim for A Nun I think, "life is to prepare us for being dead a long time" quoted from geezer memory, I been rolling bugler
my second package in two days,

Not disappointed in you,
I was just thinking about that other thread about the atheist soldier, Ginsberg a Hindu? A Buddhist?

I wondered about neal's compassion
Ginsberg's innocence

late for work again

sign out here
sign out there

later continued
If the world still is here
it could be 2012 for all I know.

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Post by mnaz » July 14th, 2008, 12:49 am

Good call on the prayer thing. How do you pray if not to God? To the cosmos in general? And this prayer phenomenon is more ubiquitous than you think. It's everywhere. When someone is seriously ill, or sent into harm's way, what's one of the first things we think about? Praying for them. Can an atheist pray? Does an agnostic think his prayer may or may not be heard? This question has made it into a couple of my writes. Most recently...
God has social ramifications.
If I don't believe in God,
who do I pray to?
interesante thread.

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Post by stilltrucking » July 14th, 2008, 1:29 am

I know you are not a big fan of country music mnaz so I won't inflict the Kriss Krisstofferson diddy "Don't Cuss The Fiddle"
has a line
"let's settle down and steal each other's songs" or something like that.

I could have very well ripped it off from you.
Hard not to rip your riffs




.

I believe
Oh Yes I believe
My faith is heretical
but it is still faith
Even though I believe
I still don't know who I am praying to
I stopped thinking about god as a pronoun


Have I hi jacked my own thread yet?
I must accept my appology

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Post by mnaz » July 14th, 2008, 2:31 am

Wha! Ya can't hijack your own thread can ya?

Here, let me help.... Yeah, the omnipotent, supreme being idea never really struck any major, sustained chord in me. Maybe when I was six. But I think that puts me in the minority of humans doesn't it? And oh those Bible stories are scary. I have many religious friends, and they've just gone with the company plan, and have that afterlife thing all sewn up. What a nice secure prospect! And good for the kids too...

Anyway... this imsomniac ramble reminds me of another little ditty I wrote a while back... Agnostic Blues...
Philosophy has it easy
but God punches a clock.
The Om and the ocean
are waiting at the dock.
So God went off to med school.
The drugs went straight to his head.
Now he argues to the death
over whether or not he's dead.
.
.
I know a place ten greasy blocks
past ten greasy dives under the tracks,
where I once bought six vodka doubles
for some poor stiff who couldn't pray.
And God still gets up early,
turns black November gray,
and shivers under a hangover,
still seems to be the way.

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Post by stilltrucking » July 14th, 2008, 2:50 am

Agnostic Blues is making me feel like Schrodinger's cat.

I don't remember that one. Seems like I would have ripped it off if I did.

mnaz wrote:
I still wouldn't think it right for me to only throw my problems and those of my friends on Him via prayer. Hmm..
What about revenge?


Do you think god might be a Realtor? Just wondering.

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Post by mnaz » July 14th, 2008, 2:56 am

stilltrucking wrote:Do you think god might be a Realtor? Just wondering.
Only in scary Old Testament Bible stories. And George Bush's Iraq, maybe. According to the respective authors.

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Post by stilltrucking » July 14th, 2008, 3:13 am

which brings me back to the subject of the post where you wrote this
bit about atheists in foxholes.

mnaz wrote
...I mean, the Army is already converted to doing the dirty work of shoddy demagogues in service of the emerging religion of Imperial New World Order Global Econ!

Kidding. Sort of.

Cassady said in that video
<center>It's already to late. This is all hindsight.</center>
I enjoyed this discussion I need to check something that Cecil said aboot that video RE: Cassady.

I might make some coffee too

see you later
or maybe not.

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Post by stilltrucking » July 14th, 2008, 5:19 am

Cecil wrote:
I will gamble here and presume you're writing about my comments on Cassady's words..? You were disappointed in the reply. I just found this out. Cassady disappointed me. I think he even surprised Ginsberg if i picked up on Allen's reaction.. one of disengagement for a moment there that he (Allen) glazed over with a chuckle. Cassady seemed uncomfortable with the camera in his face (i don't blame him) which probably had everything to do with his demeanor. you know? But! i thought my comments on his comments were actually quite good. I was disappointed that you didn't think so. ((haha!))



Yes that is what I was referring to. Cassady did not disappoint me. Ginsberg did.


I think he was less bewildered than Ginsberg.

I take this comment by you above
The bewildering new forms is a nice comment but I juxtapose it to this

comment to Hester from here

Cecil wrote:
Are you curious about 2012? With all the strangeness going on, I wonder then re-wonder if there isn't something going on... it's like worldwide, this mega-weirdness on all fronts. god! (haha!) it seems like we're so stressed out, and not just u.s.a.

I really know there are answers to the whole fucked up thing but it takes time to assimilate all the crap and put it together so there is some semblance of sense... in the meantime...
Make sense of it? I guess Cassady was making too much sense almost fifty years ago. Always some minority out on the fringes of normal distribution of souls making too much sense.

Man I hope I haven't finally given you a headache with these rambles of mine and questions.

Yes life is evolving at a snail's pace and culture is evolving over night.
I try to imagine the world my grandchildren are living in. Which is tricky since I never had children.

.
I wasn't disappointed, I just had expectations, it was not what I was expecting, thinking of joel's old tag line, not the one about "happy farts" the one before that aboot expectains and disappointments. I wonder what happened to that rascal. Zlatko too, and novalark, the guy from litkicks, did he ever post here.?

Oh well happy monday comadre.

I don't know what the heck I just wrote Cecil, Maybe because I been rolling those left handed cigarettes this morning
I will have to read it later, I am too pixelated to do it now.

I feel like the bear in the old Pogo comic strip that could write but not read.

I am running on

Image
image source

Geez that kind of looks like an emoticon,

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Post by mtmynd » July 14th, 2008, 4:54 pm

whoa, jack... too much to absorb in one sitting. maybe not at all. i'll think about it (i like the way Canadians say 'about'... something like 'abowt' - bow 'n arrow, real softly said, but is not easy to write unless you're Canadian, i reckon).

sometimes all this backtracking wears me out. you know? when you keep going forward only to find yourself somewhere where you've already been. so you have no alternative but to go forward again and traverse the same ground you already moved over. i think that process is called 'repeat' which is a hell of a lot easier than writing all that crap i just did. but it does get me tired. you think being in my 60's has anything to do with it? you're the only other one on this board that share 60 with me... unless there's a holdout somewhere (could've been Zlatko, but he slipped off the S8-radar. but you know that.

damn... maybe i should go take a crap. i've got a clinic appointment tomorrow so they can draw blood and such. it ain't the 1st time. no matter how many times i've had blood taken i find it less stressful to look away during the poking... even tho i don't mind looking at my blood but someone drawing outta me doesn't sit well... what a wimp! as my Down's boy, Nathan, would say.

Remember that old country/western tune - 'please release me...'. some fellow sang that. i can't remember his name right now but that tune popped into my head a moment ago because i've been here writing and writing and going forward.... and that made me tired. i need and nap and a crap, altho a crap and then a nap would be better, doncha think?

((please don't think about me crapping or napping.... that was just an unanswerable question))

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Post by stilltrucking » July 14th, 2008, 5:13 pm

I was born before the war Cecil. I am not a baby boomer. It seems to matter somehow.

Thanks for the comeback

Glad this thread is over.

Yes I am scared shitless about 2012, definetly high on my maslow actualizion of fears pyramid. I am sorry I confused you with the back and forth, I was trying to compare apples and oranges, how you sounded to me and how Cassady sounded on that video.
"It is difficult to make predictions especially about the future." YB

Great stream this sunday Cecil.

I got a lot out of it.

Thanks for the replies
Not your fault if I just can't get it.

love peace and taco grease.
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Post by gypsyjoker » July 14th, 2008, 5:27 pm

Like I said I am only disappointed because of my expectations, nothing to do with you.

just walk on by compadre
Sometimes my imagination runs away with me
I kind of thought you sounded kind of like Cassady on that other thread.
and a little like ginsberg too.







Good luck tomorrow I hope it all goes well and you get someone who knows what they are doing and not a poker on a OJT program.
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Post by mtmynd » July 15th, 2008, 1:13 pm

Jack, I give up calling you by any of your six handles. Isn't 'Jack' what your family *what's left* call you? We're kinda family, you know... after all these years. Cyber-family - close knit in words.

I always liked the name Jack anyway. I had a neighborhood pal that was named Jack. He was about 3 years older than me. As matter of fact, most of the kids in the neighborhood were older than me, not that that had anything to do with anything.... Jack was a bad kid... always got in trouble. His family eventually had to put him in military school out of town. He'd come back for vacations so we kept in touch. I was not a bad kid but we got along. His mother (actually he and his younger sister were adopted) was an ex-nurse and one of the real prizes on the block... sweet and kind and loved kids. Would invite them for lunch or snacks and everyone really liked Missus Keene. Strange that her adopted son, Jack, was a troublesome kid. But his dad got a transfer with the Southern Pacific Railroad... they moved to Sacramento, California. I was asked to go with them for the trip if my parents could fly me back. I went. What a long auto trip that was back in those days - pre-interstate, of course, and plenty of two lane roads that took hours to get from one town to the next, or so it seemed when you were young. It probably took about 5 days to get there, with stops to see the grand Pacific ocean... my first time and my friends, too. We kept to the coast all the way north to San Francisco then went east to Sacramento. Beautiful trip, even for a 13-14 year old. No, Disneyland wasn't around then. I spent about 4-5 days with them at their house. The truck came and moved in their goods and all the while we young ones did some chores but mostly enjoyed the outdoors.

The above story was all your fault, Jack! Damn, what's the typist's parallel to motor-mouth or ratchet-jaw..? Whatever it is I seem to babble on to Babylon and beyond whenever I 'talk' to you.

I was born during the war, close to the end, January 1945. Technically I'm not a 'baby boomer', either, but I relate to them. Soo's one of the boomers, as are several friends of mine.

I never thought I'd ever hear anyone say "I kind of thought you sounded kind of like Cassady on that other thread. and a little like ginsberg too." I have enough problems sounding like myself. ((haha!)) I read OTR and the K-Bums when I was around 16-17 yrs old. Also Catcher in the Rye. Around the same time as my introduction to Dylan, (Bob not Thomas), folk music and jazz. "Beatnik"... what a word, eh? The stereotypes that conjures. Phar Lepht had it's very own coffee house back in those years - and old brick house converted into this atmospheric beat coffeehouse. It was very cool for its time and I bought lots of fresh brewed coffee that kept me awake all night many nights.

O, yeah! the clinic trip was a-ok, The blood taker was smooth as i could hope for. Hardly even felt it. Damn! why can't those 'takers' do as well in the hospital? They'd wake me up at 4:00 in the morning to take blood. They used fat needles that kept me awake and sore... bastards! ((wink))

You named this thread. And then I disappointed you. Still gives me some sorrow when I think about that.

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Post by stilltrucking » July 15th, 2008, 1:56 pm

Mostly feeling regret this morning

I got Poster's remorse real bad for calling out Cecil.

I wish I could make that whole thread go away.

A mistake. If I had to have posted it I Should have at least posted it here
not on general.

http://studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=13823


Good news about the blood draw

I had it drawn one time by a trainee she had me sliding out of the chair.

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