What's in it for U..........

[WIREMAN]

.....????...i'm here for artistic interaction....word jamming.....information about what other artists and writers are up to....I don't come to argue or debate...although some seem to come for that.....I wonder why, it seems like there would be better places than a creative arts community for that kind of thing....but I wonder about a lot of things.....I do know this....all the prolonged skirmishes are draining and end up leaving me wondering why I even waste my time caring and then like dew it all disappears into the immensity of time.......

[mnaz]

I come here for many of the same reasons, though it seems I'm not usually a real-time jammer. I tend to pause too much before I get the words out. Usually. As for debates, one has to choose their battles as wisely as possible, but I don't shy away from them. I don't think any artist should shy away from difficult questions. Granted, I don't know some of the personal dimensions involved, thousands of miles away; I just try to interpret. And create. And yes, maybe argue sometimes. It happens.

[mtmynd]

opinionated arseholes, the whole lot of ya'... you should discuss better things like art and sex and things that go bump in the darkness of your mind. write those things down as soon as you think 'em. now get going, damn ya'. time's precious and ya shouldn't waste a moment tryin' to stay on top... it don't exist long enuff, i tell ya.

[judih]

lately i come here to marvel at the amount of creative output on these net pages.
usually i come to read, hopefully respond, get inspired.
if i feel 'safe' i blog something, but usually i don't. Things are just too easily misinterpreted. i don't come for politics, but i could if i chose.
i come because i like studio 8-ers.
i love to see what banner delights my eye.
i think Dor is a fabulous hostess - energetic, passionate, hospitable.
i come to check the pulse of still-t
and the mindflows of cecil and if possible, soozen
i love to see the artwork of smilegrl, kurt, of course, though i've got facebook to see kurt's latest, if i lost my bookmark to the studio

i am intrigued how one poet influences another.
i love to see it all.
i love to count the pages of the perpetual jam and read if it's jam or if it's talk
i love to see our latest jam stuff - always unique and vital energy vortices

the sisterhood lives well at the studio - i love to see mutual support
the brotherhood is less defined, but well-loving - take jim and still, or still and l-rod, or dino and saw and emel, mnaz and cecil and it goes on
the studio-8-ahood is most certainly flourishing
look at all of us being proud of yabyum and mrs. yabyum
and izevery kayla and myla and it's all so beautiful (itchycoo park?)

i come because the studio is my favourite net community, and even if i'm quiet, i feel comfortable to hang.

so, mark, that's why i come. and if there are long long pages of discussion, i don't have to invest energy there, but you never know when a topic will arouse my spirit, and freedom of speech is paramount here.

disclaimer: i'm writing this while listening to Mary Gaitskill - thanks to marcy, so i might have some weird 'where did that come from' spelling or grammar.

[Doreen Peri]

i'm such a sentimentalist (if that's a word and even if it isn't)..i love you judih.. that was beautiful.

[Lightning Rod]

judih, you are a joy as always

I think we have a rich community here too. The content is amazing. If we could figure out a way to get a penny a click for our views, we could all retire. But who wants to mess up the site with ads?

I think the 'boys' on the site support each other as well, it's just a different kind of support. Oops, I don't want to resurrect this argument (even though I thought it was fun.)

I think honesty is the hallmark here.

(confession: my guilty secret: I watch the View every day)
they argue and all talk at once and laugh and have fun and disagree and fight
and all the time they love one another and disagree with respect.

But if we don't disagree, we don't move forward in our thoughts.

[Doreen Peri]

I think honesty is the hallmark here.

Hallmark poetry again? Ugh. So girly.

[WIREMAN]

peter pan at night....the view in the day......when do you have time for work
LRod.....and what is the view anyway, some kinda soap opera???.......o and there's a flip side to your theory clay and it leads to fights and war and degradation and misunderstanding and he said/she said....coppin' attitudes......but this is america
and you have the right....i think you really need to do something more with all this energy.....something more lucrative.....hell you might be a millionaire.....or even the next andy rooney.....all kidding aside, i don't agree with you.....never will....that's my right.....i'd rather get paid to go thru a bunch of turmoil and damn if they don't pay me well, each and every day
....head 'em up move 'em out......that's all i got's to say.....

[Doreen Peri]

I didn't answer the question. I'm sorry. Now I will.

Why am I here?

My vision of the site was a place for interaction, to share artistic endeavors, to collaborate, create something more than you could have created if you were isolated.

I'm here for all the reasons you stated you are here for, Mark.

That said, I do enjoy and want to talk about various topics and I hope there are enough variations in the forums where I can find someone to talk to about my interests and hopefully inspire them too in some way.

To me, it's all about inspiration.

Hell, we're not together.

This is the loneliest fricking media. We are isolated, sitting in front of computer screens tapping away TRYING to make a connection!

It sucks, really, which is why I'd like to invite everybody here to come visit me. I remember way back in 2001 when I suggested this on litkicks, it didn't go over well. Well whatever.

It HAS gone over well for MANY times, .... many shows, many in-person get togethers. You've been here so you know that.

So basically, I'm here for several reasons...

1) I created the site so that goes with the territory
2) I want to connect with people who have similar interests than me
3) Which is why I created the site
4) I want to meet people in person who I interact with on the net because we have a huge amount in common, I'm hoping
5) I like all the arts.. poetry, music, visual arts etc
and
6) Because I want to explore the ideas others have

#6 means that I want to talk about issues in depth... but I'm with you ... I don't like to argue or fight. It isn't relaxing.

At the same time, I understand the importance of debating issues. But that's why the site is broken down into various places. We don't HAVE to go to the debates!..... I'm bad at this. I go to them whether I want to participate or not. Why? Beats me. Because I created the fricking beast I guess.

I'm not too hip on arguing about bullshit, though, and I don't like slams at all.... I hate it when people slam each other.

But back to the answer to your question.

I'm here because of all of the above.

Thank you, Mark.... for being so straight forward. I wish my answer was more succinct.

[Doreen Peri]

Mark... I didn't see your reply when i posted.. just wanted to let you know.. i wasn't replying to your latest post on this thread but instead to the original question you posted

((hugs))

[WIREMAN]

D....that was a wonderful answer to my ????.....i really think of this site as a place to create, not debate. Conflict does not inspire creativity in me, never has and hopefully never will. I keep asking if there are not better places for confrontation than here and have not recieved an answer, so maybe that's why it's happening.....it does say "General Discussion" for the forum and maybe that's the bottom line for some, yet for me the site is for creative pursuit and during my 55 years all the arguing i've seen has led to fights and major copping of attitudes. what i'm talking about is what is wrong with the planet. Why when given a chance to create something new, here @ S8 would the participants wanna add to the old ways that we all seem to agree, don't work, is beyond me. We are better than that, at least i hope some of u see where i'm coming from??????

[Doreen Peri]

yeah i do see where you're coming from bigtime

let's jam and make art and poetry!

that's the bottom line of what i'm here for!

i felt like my last reply was a little selfish when really what i'm saying is i want to get people TOGETHER to do stuff they couldn't do before... that's the vision

welll hell, mark.. just created a mousey1 cartoon.. it's cute and was what i was here for this evening...posted it on the jam... the jam seems so slow.... sigh...

i think some people here love debate and they think that debate is creative... I'm not them... I'm very much like you.. I have enough conflict in my real life with battling the cost of living, the mortgage, the salary not coming in, the car being fucked up, etc... I get tired when i have to deal with major attitudes on the internet.. sighhh...

well i do also realize that it's my choice to unplug the fucking machine and turn it off

at the same time, i have a major investment in this website... it's my heart and soul.... and i don't like people quibbling about nothing to the the point of making artists and writers here upset

but hey .... i figure it's me who needs to make an adjustment.. i just need to stop getting so fricking upset about the bullshit and move on to something else

i guess

sighhh

oh shit.. here''s the truth.. i DO know where you're coming from... believe me... I'm right with you... the thing is that i'm not with anyone... I'm sitting here socially isolated tapping words on a goddamn machine

know what i mean? i THOUGHT i had some reasonably acceptable writing skills but this shit can zap my energy and I NEED my energy so I can find a new job and weed the garden and learn how to play a new piece on the piano!!!!!!!

lol

love you.. thanks for the conversation... sorry i don't have answers

[mnaz]

I do.

However, the conflict remains a part of life.

Our job is to not let the politicians, or even Lightning Rod,
get too far away with exploiting it (the conflict).

[Doreen Peri]

I do.

However, the conflict remains a part of life.

Our job is to not let the politicians, or even Lightning Rod,
get too far away with exploiting it (the conflict).

You do what?

Get too far away with exploiting what conflict?

I'm sorry.. i don't get it.. yet again.

sigh

[mnaz]

are you denying that conflict is a part of life?