Language of the crisis

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Language of the crisis

Post by Arcadia » October 13th, 2008, 8:49 am

(or the other side of the blame game or how to live among abstractions? :lol: )

I found some parts of this today´s article interesting.

Hay algo maravillosamente notable, pero no asombroso, en la presentación cotidiana del actual escenario mundial. El semiólogo Eliseo Verón fue uno de los pocos que repararon en ello, al menos entre nosotros: no hay, casi, nombres propios.

Salvo Bush (y hasta por ahí nomás, porque en general se lo cita a través de sus patéticos discursos con pretensiones tranquilizadoras), el resto es una serie de figuras abstractas. “Tsunami financiero”, “crash”, “crack”, “tembladeral”, “terremoto”, “colapso” y decenas de sinonimias que en todos los casos expresan situaciones sin definir responsables. Es justamente el sentido más amplio de la palabra “abstracción”: separar un concepto del resto de los contenidos que le dan contexto.


the rest of the article here:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/econo ... 10-13.html

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Post by jimboloco » October 14th, 2008, 10:21 am

me espanyol es horrible
don't lose faith in yer gringo amigas :wink:
i have t rake leaves :roll:
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Post by mtmynd » October 14th, 2008, 11:05 am

Thanks to - translate.google.com
There is something wonderfully dramatic, but not surprising, in the everyday presentation of the current world scene. The semiologist Eliseo Veron was one of the few who repaired it, at least among us: no, almost, proper names.

Unless Bush (and even there just because it is generally cited as through their speeches with claims pathetic reassuring), the rest is a series of abstract figures. "Financial Tsunami," "Crash," "crack", "tembladeral," "earthquake", "collapse" and dozens of synonyms that in all cases reflect situations without defining responsible. It is precisely the broadest sense of the word "abstraction": a concept separate from the rest of the content that give context.
All the powerfully descriptive words all meaning a negative situation have been used, I guess, all over the world's news media. But is everything as truly bad and irreparable as we are lead to believe?

In the broadest sense, people worldwide have needs that the majority of these same people simply cannot afford in the current means of capital responsibility, i.e. the capitalist ideology. Altho I for one, have no concrete idea as to what a more fair way there is other than capitalism, it is obvious that this one system appears to be losing it's strength to combat the needs of a global society.

Para Arcadia - en Espanol:

Todas las palabras descriptivas poderosamente todos los efectos una situación negativa se han utilizado, supongo, en todo el mundo las noticias de los medios de comunicación. Pero es como todo lo verdaderamente malo e irreparable como estamos a creer?

En el sentido más amplio, la gente en todo el mundo tienen necesidades que la mayoría de estas mismas personas simplemente no pueden permitirse en los medios actuales de la responsabilidad de capital, es decir, la ideología capitalista. A pesar de que para una, no tienen idea concreta de lo que uno más justo no hay forma distinta de capitalismo, es evidente que este sistema parece estar perdiendo su fuerza para combatir las necesidades de una sociedad global.

Gracias a usted, amiga mia! ;-)

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Post by stilltrucking » October 14th, 2008, 12:51 pm

a phrase I have heard many many times in the past week or so.

"the banks don't trust each other"

Nothing to do with your geologic metaphors but I think that phrase
"the banks don't trust each other" puts a fine point on the situation.

also a phrase I hear going around a lot lately in the Us of A is "privatize profits and socialize risks"

Meanwhile we got these little green pieces of paper in our pockets that read "in god we trust"

..."I don't mind chopping wood
I don't care if the money is no good"...
The birth of a nation of sheep
The deep deep sleep of Middle America
The underground wave of feel-good fascism
The uneasy rule of the super-rich
The total triumph of imperial America
The final proof of our Manifest Destiny
The first loud cry of America über alles
Echoing in freedom’s alleys
The last lament for lost democracy
The total triumph of
totalitarian plutocracy

http://www.citylights.com/beat/LF/CLLFtotal.html

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Post by jimboloco » October 14th, 2008, 5:23 pm

yas th plutocracy
gonna vote them out
but please
there is plenty of room for private enterprise
for sure

and independent non-profit enterprises tooo
so just fund them
give them jobs to do

loosening the grip of th plutocracy
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Post by Arcadia » October 14th, 2008, 10:11 pm

de nada!! :)

jimbo: do you know that here the gringos are the italians, the rusos are the jews and you would be a yanqui? :wink: :lol:

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Post by tarbaby » October 15th, 2008, 9:55 am

I am just interested in the language I hear jim. I am sure it will work out ok, it always does. We been here before.

"The banks don't trust each other" I find that so interesting. But of course we have to trust them, right?
a sophism of madness.
a sophism of madness
But we have our own more recent
who also fatally assumed
that some direct connection
does exist between
language and reality
word and world
which is a laugh
if you ask me
I too have drunk and seen
the spider
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Ferlinghetti
“Where is that man who has forgotten words that I may have a word with him?”

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Post by jimboloco » October 16th, 2008, 10:56 am

that some direct connection
does exist between
language and reality
word and world
gee thanks tarbaby
ya seen uncle remus lately?
we went by th laughun place,
it stillthere!

it's a philosophic shift
across th aisle
across th chasmmmmmm
like livin in th yanqui quarter in rosario!
like th plutochracy is th old dominion,
when economics was at their service
as th free market ruled th people,
and now, wee th peoples are gonna
rule, man,
with economics at our soivice
right on!
viva la frida!
as we jump inoo th community of american nations,
yay!
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yo ho ho an a bottle of rum om[/color]

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Post by e_dog » October 18th, 2008, 7:04 pm

The World is Going to Shit



and Other Obviounesses




by George W. Push








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