Papel prensa

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Papel prensa

Post by Arcadia » August 29th, 2010, 10:38 pm

I know I easily get lost in intrincated stories (from gossips, to novels and political news... :lol:), so I´ll be kind with myself with this.
The topic of the past, present and future of the empresa Papel Prensa flood the media here during the last weeks (both private & state). Also the government seems to be putting a large amount of energy on this (the president last week speech -that I still didn´t listen- included). From what I read and listened until now (the next article linked included) I ended asking myself what?, who?, why?, and now what...? why now..? :shock:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 08-29.html

Also some questions arised:

- Is it posible to do real justice (in case that something like real justice exists) in relation with all the economic crimes done during the last dictadura?
- Why now Clarín group is the only big corporation that seems to worth a fight from the government?
- Is still very important the number of consumers that buy printed papers?

more links about it: (that I still doesn´t read)

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 08-29.html
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/econo ... 08-29.html
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 08-29.html

two links about the situation of the press in the region (that I already read):

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 08-29.html
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 08-29.html

Tomorrow a documentary made by Tristan Bauer about Papel Prensa will be televised in the state channel, maybe I understand a little more that way.... :roll:

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Re: Papel prensa

Post by Arcadia » August 31st, 2010, 12:56 pm

After seeing the documentary I undestood a little more but I declare myself momentary incompetent... :roll: : a very violent, sad, complex or/and at the same time very simple kind of story. The Justice and the Legislative power are working on that already and I have to do other kind of work today, I´ll return to it later!.

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Re: Papel prensa

Post by Arcadia » August 31st, 2010, 8:57 pm

some provisory answers for my questions:

- Is it posible to do real justice (in case that something like real justice exists) in relation with all the economic crimes done during the last dictadura?
yeah, why not?. At some point, of course. And if the case is enough clear and there are enough pruebas. I know already casos involving individual persons who were kidnapped and tortured during the dictatorship and their homes were appropiated for police officers with some rango and that after the juicios, the properties were given again to their relatives. But this caso is a bit more obscure and it involved (maybe) the edgy montoneros game with the right and the big capital in a traditional way and the left. This was mentioned in the tv state documentary in an only superficial way -though in the words of one of the victims- and desestimated with the following silence. This point requires a lot of investigation that is not at hand for a common citizen. We only can read or listen -with more or less luck- want they would appear
- Why now Clarín group is the only big corporation that seems to worth a fight from the government?. I have an opinion in relation to this: only power managment, they shuted their mouths or did equivocal moves concerning the big soja exportators, the minery and a lot of other items. Of course, Clarín newspaper sucks... you wonder if it´s really a big enemy after all and in case it is, if it is wise to give so much energy and importance only to that
- Is still very important the number of consumers that buy printed papers? I don´t think so, but I´m not sure. It´s quite possible the eye of the government is more in the other components of the group: tv, radio, internet.

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Re: Papel prensa

Post by Arcadia » August 31st, 2010, 9:12 pm

next step: I´ll try to listen our president last week´s speech... but later, enough for today!

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Re: Papel prensa

Post by Arcadia » September 1st, 2010, 1:25 pm

of course I skiped? skept? yesterday´s next step...!! :)

More opinions: about trees and forests or the importance of the government´s fight for truth -caso Clarín

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-01.html

ask for protection from one of the testigos in Papel Prensa´s causa:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 09-01.html

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Re: Papel prensa

Post by stilltrucking » September 1st, 2010, 7:47 pm

BUENOS AIRES (Dow Jones)--Argentina's two leading newspapers on Thursday hit back against government claims that they had conspired with the military dictatorship in 1976 to obtain control of the country's largest newsprint-paper provider, Papel Prensa SA.

The Wall Street Journall

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Re: Papel prensa

Post by Arcadia » September 2nd, 2010, 10:40 pm

the link doesn´t work, s-t but gracias the same!. I´ve been putting flotant atention to other tv channels that aren´t the state ones while doing homework, and the effect is really interesting...!!! The dead calm of four years ago seems to be over! :lol: (I´ll try to write about it later!)

and good news: new media law!, it seems better than the old one, so it´s a kind of progress! :)

See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-02.html

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Re: Papel prensa

Post by Arcadia » September 25th, 2010, 7:56 am

difficult to follow our president ´s speeches during the last two weeks..! one or more each day in different and diverse fronts... (I only did some zapping through them) it seems the next presidential campaign had already begun! :shock: . Even though the caso Papel prensa is already in Justice Power land , I´ll listen to the president´s speech in the next months, I promise! :roll: :lol:

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