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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gTZgi6-Q3M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc7R80Hxfk

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Through the evaluation of the works of Christian authors, many with military
experience, the preponderance of evidence reveals that six factors motivated evangelical
Christians to evangelize the military. These include: evangelism as an essential element
of the Christian faith, the comfort that it provides to military personnel, the desire to
follow biblical examples of evangelism to the military, assurance of a successful life,
spirituality as a trait of good leadership, and the advocacy of Christianity as a central part
of the U.S. government.

[the mingo]

I don't know how it happened but i hit on your aslan link and ended up watching old Soprano vids from the aslan interview - as far as Jesus as zealot - that kind of thing has made the rounds before - it's more comfortable to think of Jesus as anything else than what he said he was & is - always has been, first for the Jew and then for the Gentile -

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Yes you are right the Jews killed Jesus Christ. Pontius Pilate was a hell of a nice guy.

Hard to imagine the church fathers would lie.
Sometimes I think of them as the first public relations hacks. Spinning a religion for the Holy Roman Empire's new state religion. Well any I like the new pope better than the old Nazi.

Don't know about the links, they seem to work for me, one is to the audiobook and the other is a critique of the book.

I got my own personal Jesus, he wears a Quaker hat.

[the mingo]

i didn't say anything about the Jews killing Jesus nor did I imply it - the Jewish leadership did work hard using even the hated Romans to further their agenda about getting him up on that cross - truth of the matter is even if they had known what to do they couldn't have kept him off of it - they needn't have worked so hard -

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Hard to imagine the church fathers would lie.
Sometimes I think of them as the first public relations hacks. Spinning a religion for the Holy Roman Empire's new state religion. Well anyway, I like the new pope better than the old Nazi.

while you were posting...
I edited that last reply, sorry. Truth be told I am not comfortable with the New Testament. That book has cost my family dearly. Nietzsche brought me the good news. He brought me closer to the Christ the Quakers call Jesus.
Why Study the New Testament?
Interesting website at Yale divinity school courses on the New Testament. Increased my understanding of scripture. The Quakers say the Bible was divinely inspired, maybe so but I think it had more to do with the lust for power. But who am I to criticize. I still lust after women in my heart.

Yeah nothing to do with the Jews. Nobody been blaming the Jews, not Mark, not John, nobody but us chickens

[the mingo]

hey i got lust for all sorts of women in my heart of hearts all the damn time - don't think it's goin' away til i get to the grave

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The Faith of a Heretic. by Walter Kaufmann. A hard read for me, I have only read it half way through. I have not picked it up in years. I am trying to remember the bit where he says he knows what is at stake... I know what is at stake, I think it is life eternal in the present moment. I am still pretty superstitious about the grave. I keep thinking I need to set up some funeral insurance and probably go for cremation cause it is cheap. But superstition and resurrection makes me a wimp I read somewhere that Jews believed in the resurrection of the body and I could blow it if I am just a little pile of ash and cinders. oh well sorry to ramble here so much.

I was looking for something about Walter Kaufmann, strange dude, raised as a protestant in Germany, then in 1939 he decided to convert to Judaism. Then he found out both his parents and all four of his grandparents were Jews. German Jews were not proud of the ancestry. Strange time to convert when the Nazis were taking over.

I have no shame in confessing to the Christ Jesus as my friend. He towers over any other figure in the BIble, no man ever had more respect for women.

sorry about the digression as I was saying about about searching for Walter Kaufmann somehow I stumbled on this from Google.

shame

Postby e_dog » January 27th, 2008, 11:24 pm

is the truest emotion
you were born

for shame

you died for your sins
i for mine
we for ours

theres no payin
the debt
once the bookies start bookin
accounts.

shame is
necessity.
necessity shame.

on you.
on you.

Christ died
for our sins.
We die with Christ.
We are Christ.
We are lesion.

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtop ... =2&t=11840

The Bible is like poetry for me.
You make more sense with your poems than I do with all this rambling.
All jumbled up in my mind, I try to set in down in words to see if I can make any sense out of it. I miss e_dog. He is a poet also. I can get by with a little poetry from my friends.

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RE: lust for what it is worth.
keep them barefoot and pregnant, religious objections against birth control jacks my jaws.

In one way, morality will soon go the way of astronomy, physics, and biology: to be sure, it will not become a science; but Christians, too, will soon concede the need for rational discussion of moral questions as well as the relevance of observation—and then Christianity will adopt the position that morality is not of ultimate significance. Today, some Christians may still object: if morality is not of ultimate significance, what is? But it is far from self-evident that rules about permissible and impermissible sexual relations should be more crucial for religion than whether the earth revolves around the sun or whether man is a cousin of the gorilla.

Walter Kaufmann’s Critique of Religion and Philosophy. This one, from pp. 220-221

Quote of the day: Walter Kaufmann religion versus reason

[the mingo]

I don't mind the digressions Jack - keep 'em coming - the trouble a lot of the time is that these subjects are too expansive & revolutionary for a textbox - I'm not the world's greatest apologist of faith in the Christian sense of it in the first place - and by "apologist" i mean that in its classical sense of "defender" - so even if i do not give a response don't mean I didn't think about it - anyways - even if we differ or argue it's ok because we are doing it over the right things - the questions that have troubled & perplexed man since time immemorial - the grave scares me too but only when I have forgotten who it is I profess to follow - there is no such thing as an easy or comfortable route for the Christian - it is not promised by the one who calls - he just says "follow me" - and we all know what His road was like - and if we don't we can read it -

guess I'm the one rambling now

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mingo my lingo
steve
"I could sign out and sign in with a different user and tagline that ways
"where can I find a penguin or a porpoise who forgets about words and have a word with it"

but I am not that ambitious,
it is a losing proposition to rely on words to apologize for
words, words are meaningless at some level beyond the word made flesh. non fleshy words, abstractions of abstractions, transcendental scat singing, when I run out of words like now...like i drift away, and read what I have written with a distant mind that has no shame for my sloppy writing. My attention span is limited, the down side of my meds one of the known side effects I guess. I would like to go back and fix so many glaring mistakes in what I have written so far on this thread. At times like this I think of Clay and how clean his prose was.
oh well pardon the digression now in process back to my ramble already taking place...
Not asking you to apologize for anything steve, I am just trying to speak to you as a friend. But this ain't really speaking is it. I mean I should have said I am trying to write to you as a friend.

It gets me a little closer to freedom from my own private hell, kind of a Zen thing I guess, to add another word to the flesh.

I am pretty polytheistic in my heretical faith, I don't feel no contradiction between the Way as it is called in Buddhism and the Jesus road as it is called on the rez.

consistency is just a bugaboo I guess

I got get up and dance now. type at you later gatOr
thanks for taking the time to reply
always fun for me having fun with words with mingo's lingo