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Post by mtmynd » May 4th, 2009, 6:14 pm

It's like this guy, Coach, on Survivor, who goes around casually referring to himself as "the chosen one." My thinking is, anyone who refers to himself as the chosen one obviously isn't. Why don't more people see this?
It wouldn't be good television... ;)
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Post by Arcadia » May 4th, 2009, 6:46 pm

Durante su práctica no es necesario obtener algo. Su objeto es sólo la concentración en la posición, la respiración y la actitud del espíritu.

(about zazen) "During its practice it is not necessary to obtain/gain? something. Its object is only the concentration in the posture, the breathing and the spirit attitude"

mmm.... so, zazen has an object? ... :shock:

in the soto tradition as far as I?- know? is zazen, zazen, zazen... :) you are hit in the middle of your upper back without pain-pain at all and in order to refresh your posture. The maestro in the only zen center in my city frecuented by me (I guess it´s the only one, but I´m not sure at all) it´s a kind of AZI renegade and Deshimaru disciple, I like him!. But I find the posture and the duration in the posture somehow artificial for my actual body (they will say to you it´s the natural one and maybe they are right, who knows!). Anyway to sit in semi loto position for 25 30 minutes specially after a long walk and a shower generates some grounding and space in my monkey mind or something like that! :roll:

here is the site of the zen dojo if you are interested:

www.zen-deshimaru.com.ar/rosario/home.php

there are also some books that deals with zen logic and language quoting Wittgenstein somewhere too. Good luck!!!!!!! :wink:

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Post by Barry » May 4th, 2009, 7:14 pm

It wouldn't be good television
Kind of a cop-out answer, don't you think? I was asking the question of you in seriousness. I'll illustrate. The other players had a really prime opportunity to take the wind from Coach's sails in last Thursdays episode. Here he was inwardly reeling from the loss of his lead disciple, Tyson, on the previous Thrusday through a stupendous blindside, though he outwardly kept the appearance of calm confidence. What was telling, though, was the scrambling done by he and his last ally, Debbie, to rally at least two more players to their side, thereby ensuring their continuance in ther game. There was some discussion of voting Debbie out. The numbers were there. I thought it a brilliant plan. But what transpired is the girl Coach wanted voted out, who he'd tried and failed to recruit, because she was pinned with "creating too much drama," was the one voted out. When the other players had a beautiful opportunity to completely leave Coach standing there onhis stumps, his legs fully cut out from beneath him. Some even saw it, but none acted on it.
Why?

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Post by stilltrucking » May 4th, 2009, 7:16 pm

Both... fictional (Hermann Hesse's novel by the same name) and real... Siddhartha Gautama
Where is the proof that he really existed? Just curious because

I remember you wanted proof that Jesus existed.
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Post by Doreen Peri » May 4th, 2009, 7:24 pm

i donno

supposedly he was a real person

supposedly jesus was a real person too and i used to believe that until Clay told me none of the writings, not the gospels... nothing... were contemporary writings about him

perhaps that's not unusual, i donno

but just knowing that the gospels were written 200 years later and nothing was written about him at all during his time to document his existence, blew it for me... made me think it was just a myth

maybe Siddhartha Gautama is also a myth

i have no clue

*shrug*

i really don't know

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Post by mtmynd » May 4th, 2009, 7:24 pm

I'm not able to answer your question, Barry, as I do not watch that tv program. Perhaps if I did, I would be able to offer an opinion.
truck: Where is the proof that he really existed?
Everyone knows he is the true father of Jesus don't they?
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Post by stilltrucking » May 4th, 2009, 7:26 pm

I never went to sunday school doreen. I don't know that nothing was written about him for 200 years. Seems like he was mentioned by some of the Roman historians. But I am probably wrong.

What was written about the Buddha in his lifetime or shortly after? I thought it was hundreds of years too. But I don't know jack shit about Buddha.

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Post by stilltrucking » May 4th, 2009, 7:43 pm

The primary sources of information regarding Siddhārtha Gautama's life are the Buddhist texts. The Buddha and his monks spent four months each year discussing and rehearsing his teachings, and after his death his monks set about preserving them. A council was held shortly after his death,
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Were eary buddhists persecuted the way the christians were. maybe that is why no body was writing stuff down?

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Post by mtmynd » May 4th, 2009, 7:59 pm

maybe that is why no body was writing stuff down?
what kind of stuff are you looking for?
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Post by stilltrucking » May 4th, 2009, 8:00 pm

the same stuff

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Post by stilltrucking » May 4th, 2009, 8:30 pm

this

About the early Buddhist texts from wiki.
The Buddha and his monks spent four months each year discussing and rehearsing his teachings,
His teachings that stuff.

I like the George Carlin routine about "stuff"

I like the word. It is so descriptive.
information in some unspecified form; "it was stuff I had heard before"; "there's good stuff in that book"

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Post by mtmynd » May 5th, 2009, 8:23 am

I don't think ol' Sidd had any enemies... well, not like Jesus did... Sidd's stuff was developed for years before he passed, in his 80's I think. Nobody was after him for his message... it was delivered in such a way that it didn't stir the ire of the powerful of the time.
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Post by stilltrucking » May 5th, 2009, 9:34 am

Not sure if it is germane but India has a civilization going back thousands of years before the Romans and the Jews.

Zen is mundane to me Cecil. That is the best I can say for it.

belonging to this earth or world; not ideal or heavenly; "not a fairy palace; yet a mundane wonder of unimagined kind"; "so terrene a being as himself"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
that is what appeals to me about it.

Zen is about those mechanics butchering his motorcycle in Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

I suppose I will have to be a more carefull writer. So you don't [sic] your dog on me.

working on this

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Post by Barry » May 5th, 2009, 11:09 am

I'm not able to answer your question, Barry, as I do not watch that tv program. Perhaps if I did, I would be able to offer an opinion.
Ah. Understandable then. Always the safest course. :wink:

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Post by Barry » May 5th, 2009, 11:27 am

On the historocity of Jesus:

The earliest Pauline epistles are believed by scholars to have been written in the first century - the first fifty years after the death of Jesus.

The "Q" text, a postulated source for the Gospels of Luke and Matthew, appears to have been implied by Papias, circa 100 - 150 AD.

Whenever they were written, when I wrote a paper on the Council of Nicea in 1981, I found a reference to how the books of the Canon were chosen. It was written that the bishops present at the council gathered all the hundreds of manuscripts then circulating and placed them under the huge council table, then they prayed together and "besought the Lord that the divinely inspired writings should get themselves up onto the table, while the spurious ones should remain below." And this is apparently how it was done. :wink:

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