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Re: feel free to choose a topic!

Post by stilltrucking » April 13th, 2012, 6:52 pm

: "If you're not careful, the newspapers will convince you that the blame for social problems is of the oppressed and not those who are oppressed"



I have to use Google translate so it seems a little off," is of the oppressed not those who are oppressed" Seems to me he is saying the problem is the victims not the oppressed. :?:

Sounds like exactly what is happening here too.

Neoliberalism, I remember looking that word up one time cause you used it. It is not a word I run across up here. Not in our main stream media anyway.
The reflection should start here: neoliberalism is above all a culture of fear, suffering and death for the great majority, not combat it effectively if not opposed by a culture of hope, happiness and life. The difficulty for the Left to be assumed as carriers of that comes from another culture for too long have fallen into the trap that rights always remained in power: reduce reality to what is, by most unjust and cruel to be , so that the hope of the majority seem unreal. Against this trap should be based on the idea that reality is the sum of what exists and all that it emerges as a possibility and a struggle to be realized. If the left does not know how to spot emergencies, be immersed or will go to museums, which is the same.

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Post by Arcadia » April 16th, 2012, 9:26 pm

well, in theory we are something like neoliberalist-survivors that now want to buy what the same party two decades ago sold for nothing to strangers ... yeah, I know... complex, somehow! :shock: but maybe they are good news, who knows?
and our president now is talking about soberanía & natural resources while interventing YPF and a year ago she vetó a law already approved by senators and deputies about reformulating how the minery is working in the cordillera zones in the last years, thanks also to President Menem... is like Dr Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde thing, I don´t understand really ...

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 04-16.html

Cumbre de las Américas: I applaude president of Ecuador for not going, what for, really? To congratulate Colombia´s presidente for the ALCA??? to see that only two countries left Cuba out again?. Maybe to leave the geology to the geologists can be a better idea since now if the politics don´t change ... it´s not enough with the CELAC, the UNASUR, the CAN and, of course, the ONU?? México is still in the ONU, no? :?

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 04-16.html

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Post by Arcadia » April 17th, 2012, 1:16 pm

well, everybody knows that the oposition´s newspapers have a fair crew of escatologists at hand for everything (as well as the oficialist´s newspapers and tv channels have their own ones in the apologists side!). Both sides will have meat for their teeths with YPF for some days, for sure!. And life goes on beyond the presidential & corporations agenda, so I´ll left you with the links and I´ll continue with my tuesday´s path...! :wink:

http://www.clarin.com/politica/territor ... 31633.html

http://www.clarin.com/opinion/Cara-ceca ... 31627.html

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Cristina ... 31646.html

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1465659-deba ... s-falacias

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1465626-la-p ... o-al-mundo

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1465678-efec ... n-por-todo

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1465546-el-i ... -economico

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Post by stilltrucking » April 18th, 2012, 8:35 am

Listening to the BBC news last night. Maybe not the most objective fair and balanced news show for news about argentina. They say it is risky.
YPF nationalisation: Is Argentina playing with fire?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17740393

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Post by Arcadia » April 18th, 2012, 3:10 pm

risks are good if you accord with the cause and the ways ... I can´t be sure about the fairness of them in the hands of our government (I wish I could be in the jumping-shouting-inconditional crowd but I just can´t... ). So, I´m in the unconfortable zone once more... :? It is what it is ...!

just heard that the senate approved the nationalization already........ realllly faaaaaaaaast!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 04-18.html

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Post by stilltrucking » April 18th, 2012, 4:07 pm

trying to pin point what puts me out of my comfort zone.

trying to remember what my comfort zone is

jeez I must have a comfort zone

Am I comfortable now?

No, I am very thirsty.

It is so complicated, so much money involved and from what I can understand the spanish company was manipulating production to gouge prices.

I hope Argentina can reach a fair settlement with Spain.

BBC was predicting dire results for capital investments from foreign countries. but what good are they if they are vulture funds.
:?

well gotta go get comfortable
a beer would sure taste good right now.

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Post by Arcadia » April 20th, 2012, 6:31 pm

still summer weather here so sure I´ll drink a beer somewhere in the next hours, cheers s-t!!!!!!! :D

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Post by Arcadia » April 20th, 2012, 6:58 pm

oh yeah, this is really the strawberry of the cake!!!! :shock: :

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Menem-Vo ... 31602.html

(an the major joke is that he is a senator nowadays ... he must be in jail!!!!!!!!, damn!!! :? )

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Post by Arcadia » April 22nd, 2012, 11:41 am

a shot of optimism cross the nation!!!!! :D

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 04-22.html

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/econo ... 04-22.html

I hope viceminister Kicillof´s TNT reservas (Tontos pero no tanto - Fools but not too much...) don´t drain too fast...!!!!! :lol: (for the bien of all of us...! :roll: )

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Post by Arcadia » April 25th, 2012, 5:14 pm

a vote for no to the nationalization of YPF in today´s Senate and its argumentation:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1467885-cart ... er-por-ypf

yeah ..., a "no" sounds odioso but at the same time it´s dificcult to believe that our actual governmet would accept to really listen and act according to a "yes, but..." thing... our goverment seems already very experienced in putting on the table these kind of autogestive dilemmas ... I hope the not absolute Kirchnerists bring enough ammount of anti-acid in their pockets today for their own estomacal health ... :roll:

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Post by Arcadia » April 26th, 2012, 10:30 pm

if I skipped the news right, Stenssoro´s vote was an abstention and Menem was ausente... Here are the points of the final match in YPF´s caso in the Senate:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 04-26.html

what really this called "nationalization" means will be showed at full splendor maybe later than now, of course I hope it will be for some good and that the government take notice of the "buts".

now the play will be in the Cámara de diputados:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 04-26.html

(a good solution would be not use petróleo anymore!: we wouldn´t need corrupt international and national capitalists to invest in the detection and extracción of the petróleo and listo...!!!!! :roll: :lol: :wink: )

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Post by Arcadia » April 30th, 2012, 8:23 pm

all this political twenty years ago dejà vus had been revealing somehow for me (and not only for me as I could listen and talk with many others with the similar turmoils) in a personal side. It´s a kind of gardelian "Volver" with chips ... :roll: :lol:

happy Día del Trabajador tomorrow for all!!!!!! :wink:

s-t: what is in your avatar??? :shock:

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Post by Arcadia » May 1st, 2012, 10:47 am

I found a breve texto of what I think about the YPF nowadays but not written by myself ... wow!!! :mrgreen:

http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2012/04/812924.php

El anuncio del gobierno nacional de la expropiación, mediante pago, del 51% de las acciones de YPF en manos de la petrolera española generó una fuerte repercusión, tanto en nuestro país como en el extranjero. No es para menos: en si misma la medida supone un límite parcial al vergonzoso saqueo de nuestras riquezas que venía llevando adelante la empresa petrolera de un país que, aunque parezca chiste, no tiene una gota de petróleo.

Sin embargo, las características de la medida hablan a las claras de los límites de clase y políticos del gobierno que la lleva adelante, ya que no va a fondo en unos cuantos aspectos cruciales por lo que no garantiza la recuperación de la soberanía energética. En este sentido, está claro que la necesidad de avanzar en el control de YPF se impuso como una cuestión de primer orden para la competitividad del capitalismo argentino, asfixiado por un gasto anual por importación de combustible que este año rondará los US$ 12.000 millones y del que depende el funcionamiento de la economía nacional.

Por eso afirmamos que esta medida, si bien orientada en un sentido general que compartimos, resulta insuficiente en diversos puntos:

En primer lugar, porque más que de una expropación se trata de una compra compulsiva de una parte del paquete accionario, lo que llegado el momento demandará una altísima e injustificable erogación de miles de millones de dólares para el estado nacional.

En segundo orden, porque se limita a “expropiar” el 51% de las acciones de Repsol (que poseía el 57%), sin avanzar -cuanto menos- sobre el 25% de las acciones en manos del Grupo Eskenazi, que desembarcó en YFP sin poner un solo peso de la mano del mismo Néstor Kirchner (quien promovió su ingreso con el objetivo de “argentinizar” la empresa). Cabe señalar que esta política se demostró un fracaso rotundo y que lejos de detener el saqueo de Repsol lo agudizó hasta devenir en una verdadera estrategia de vaciamiento empresarial.

A su vez, el proyecto oficial mantiene la estructura de Sociedad Anónima (S.A.) con cotización en bolsa, lo que abre el juego a nuevas empresas multinacionales, tan voraces como Repsol, por lo que dista mucho de ser una verdadera estatización, como exige una genuina política de recuperación de la soberanía energética.

Ligado a lo anterior, no puede omitirse que las provincias que no son petroleras quedaron excluidas de esta medida, sin participación alguna en la propiedad del 51% recuperado, cuando en verdad se trata de un recurso estratégico perteneciente a la Nación en su conjunto y no el botín de negociación fiscal de un puñado de gobernadores.

Como quinto elemento, y no menor, designar al ministro Julio De Vido al frente de la intervención de YPF resulta un despropósito total. ¿Qué puede esperar de este oscuro funcionario que impulsó la privatización de YPF (al igual que los máximos dirigentes kirchneristas, empezando por Néstor y Cristina, que durante los ´90 apoyaron de cuerpo y alma la iniciativa menemista) y que luego fue cómplice y co-responsable de la debacle energética que hoy justifica la expropiación? De Vido al frente de YPF es como poner a un zorro al cuidado de un gallinero.

Por las razones anteriores, desde MIR planteamos que para avanzar en un verdadero camino de soberanía energética, que rompa con la dependencia, es preciso llevar adelante la estatización total de YPF, sin pago, bajo control obrero. A su vez, reclamamos que esta misma política soberana se extienda a todos nuestros recursos naturales y ambientales, acechados por las multinacionales mineras y por las “expediciones humanitarias” del ejército yanqui, como la que tiene lugar actualmente en la provincia del Chaco.

Cada vez está más claro que estas soluciones de fondo, que el kirchnerismo evita, sólo pueden venir de un gobierno de los trabajadores y del pueblo que vaya hasta el final en la ruptura contra el saqueo y la explotación.

Por último, y más allá de estas diferencias sustanciales con la medida anunciada por la Presidenta Cristina Kirchner, reivindicamos enérgicamente el derecho del estado argentino a tomar las medidas que considere pertinente en materia del control de los recursos energéticos y naturales de nuestro país, sin injerencia o intromisión extranjeras. Por lo que rechazamos cualquier tipo de represalia -económica o política- por parte de España, la Unión Europea o de cualquier otra potencia imperialista.

Movimiento de Izquierda Revolucionaria (MIR)

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Re: feel free to choose a topic!

Post by stilltrucking » May 2nd, 2012, 6:56 pm

I did a Google translate
I think you did a pretty good job of laying it all out, I could follow your reasoning and you sound right to me.

MIR, I can get behind that if Camus could.
Non violent right ?
sorry that was a dumb question
I know you that much 8)

Oh :oops:

I just realized you did not write it

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Post by stilltrucking » May 3rd, 2012, 6:11 pm

Camus’s repudiation of violent revolution as bourgeois, privileged, unrealistic, ant historical, and anti-human being. ... Camus’ refusal to grace revolutionary murders with the word “justice”
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=ps ... 80&bih=551

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