Cartoon Power: Danish newspaper and cartoons of Muhammad

[stilltrucking]

Dear Professor

This post of yours deserves a serious read. Which I will do. Between you and e-dog I won't be bored with a hospital stay if that is in my future. Right now my mind is a joke and all I can do is ramble.

Ok
I learned to read from the Sunday comics. I can remember the first book I ever read. Little Dog Ready at Home.

Yes I remember the EC Comics, just add five years to your age in the 50's and you will know where I was. I started reading the first link and I was reminded of an issue about the firehouse where the pole that the fireman slid down was replaced by one with razor sharp edges. It was a revenge story. The guy wraps his arms around the pole and slides down. I was getting to the part about the psychiatrist and juvenile delinquents when I noticed the woman in one of the ads that was in the red bikini. Naturally I started thinking about pubescent masturbation fantasies. The earliest ones I can remember were about Nazi medical experiments.

Listen I could go on but I would just like to say yes lines on paper are powerful, but is that not what words are. Cuneiform and Egyptian pictographs. Got to go

Ramble more later
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At least I have spell checked it in deference to those weary old eyes of yours. I think about all those sophomore English papers you have read.

I ignored the sentence fragments and passive voice cause I don’t like what Microsoft suggested as more better English

[mousey1]

I just want to make a point and then I'll back away from the screen.

I am a Christian. I viewed this...(it's not exactly a cartoon but oh well!) ps: view at your own peril! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1806009973
I did not feel an overpowering urge to rush out in a mad frenzy of rioting and hate-filled rage to create furor and wreak pandemonium, nor did I feel an overwhelming need to hunt down and string up the funny bugger that made it. Does this mean I do not take my faith seriously or does it just mean that maybe some of these other so-called religious dogs need to...

LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP!

I mean they're not setting a very good example. I do not wish to be a Muslim now, frankly I don't think I have the energy nor the mentality for it besides, any religion I follow must have a smidgeon of humor and be a little more self-deprecating!

[diesel dyke]

mousey this place is about to get hacked again
I would never call my self a christian but
I am a quaker
and like George Fox I can say
"I knew there is one who could speak to my conditon, the CHrist Jesus."

don't lose no sleep over it kid HE does not need anyone to stick up for him

You know I love you but jesus loves you best

Doreen I hope you saw that CyberSoldier is back and that big tasty tits has signed in as a new member to cover his tracks

I wish you would shut the site down for a while or do what ever is necessary to cover your back

please acknowedge

have I got your attnetion

[stilltrucking]

and mousey I do not trust you right now and I would not click on any link you posted cause I am paranoid because I wonder if this is a coincidence.

Beleive me, Christ can take care of him self, he is not the prohpet, mohamed, Jesus is easty and god is not mocked except by believers.

written by Warren Zevon 1976 Zevon Music BMI

Everybody's restless and they've got no place to go
Someone's always trying to tell them
Something they already know
So their anger and resentment flow

But don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's Radio
I heard somebody singing sweet and soulful
On the radio, Mohammed's Radio

You know, the Sheriff's got his problems too
He will surely take them out on you
In walked the village idiot and his face was all aglow
He's been up all night listening to Mohammed's Radio

Don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's Radio
I heard somebody singing sweet and soulful
On the radio, Mohammed's Radio

Everybody's desperate trying to make ends meet
Work all day, still can't pay the price of gasoline and meat
Alas, their lives are incomplete

Don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long Mohammed's Radio
I heard somebody singing sweet and soulful
On the radio, Mohammed's Radio

You've been up all night listening for his drum
Hoping that the righteous might just might just might just come
I heard the General whisper to his aide-de-camp
"Be watchful for Mohammed's lamp"

Don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long Mohammed's Radio

[mnaz]

There's a difference between Christian and Christian extremist.

There's a difference between Muslim and Muslim extremist.

There's a difference between spiritual faith and zealotry, or bigotry.

There's a difference between worship of God and trying to play God.

Clearly, Muslims who would appoint themselves agents of destruction because of a cartoon represent a cancer on the earth. However, please note that this type of cancer hardly begins and ends with Islam.

[stilltrucking]

Have you ever seen the movie The Jerk?

Oh yeah I need this, I need that, and this, yes I need this.

I don't need this anymore.

So long its been good to know ya.

I have nothing to say. I realy like your poetry, but you have not heard much of what I have said on this string. I feel as if I know what "A confederacy of Dunces" was all about. Not the poem, but the NOvel by O'Toole. You might say he wrote my life.

Mousey I am done. good luck, and keep on keeping on.

[mnaz]

ST....

Sorry if I missed something, but I was trying to make a general point-- not directed at, or in response to anyone in particular. The outrage over Muslim fanaticism is justified. I simply remind everyone that fanaticism comes in other flavors beside Islamic.

Perhaps it's an obvious point. Perhaps I should back off. But I just want to throw it out there when I sense the discussion getting a little "unbalanced", so to speak. That's all.

[stilltrucking]

I have watched too much "christian tv" to argue about it. Christian Zionism is a threat as dangerous as Muslim fanatics if you ask me.

As Z said about the power of lines on paper. I am not a neuro-scientist so I can't say if our brains handle images different than language, I suppose that is true, right brain /left brain? THe images are older, thinking about the cave paintings of the first Cro-Magnon killers.

I simply remind everyone that fanaticism comes in other flavors beside Islamic.

When I hear people talking about "Biblical Land" this land was promised to us by god. I think that is fanaticism.

When I said I don't need this, I meant I have nothing to prove, nothing to debate.

When I hear people trying to reason from the bible like it is a physics text book, that there is some logic to it, that we are dealing with objective facts, it gives me the he be ge bees.
I have a dear friend I call Diamond Lil, she is a devout Catholic. I wish I could be one too. I wish I could be a Hindu, I want a religion that has it all worked out for me and all I have to do is believe. And all i have is the faith of a heretic. I

I am wandering all over the place. sorry.

I wander because I could carelesss about the debate you and firsty were having. The only thing that interests me on this string is the timing.

Microbe said.

What I find fascinating is there have been so many recent cartoons depicting Mohammed, including the high profile "South Park", without any problems, so what has happened this time? Is someone pulling ...

And that seems to be the last thing anybody else cares about. We could sit here till doomsday and discuss this topic and say many profound things. And meanwhile I am not in my right mind. All I can do is think of Steve Martin in his bath robe carrying a chair, a lamp and his paddle ball. That movie is the story of my life.
go figure
mnaz thank you for being mnaz.

[microbe]

I am certain that the right wing European press have been orchestrating this crisis. The left have been very low profile and generally sensitive to the situation. It seems to me that parties who want to ferment turmoil are having a field day. They could have done this any time they felt like it - they have chosen to do so now.

I am by no means laying the blame solely on the Danish Imams but I read yesterday that they have been inflaming the situation by touring the Arab lands with the cartoons plus a few more even worse though not even published. Not entirely unpredictable however.

[stilltrucking]

It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. – Joseph Joubert

But when the debaters have no power to make a decision what is the point of the debate?



There was a story on Public TV about a guy who had seizures; epilepsy or something like it. When he was having a seizure he would be omniscient. He could see all of creation how everything fitted together in the big picture. The seizures wracked his body and were killing him. They had done CAT scans or MRI I forget which and they could pinpoint the exact area in the brain where these God Storms were happening. The neurosurgeons were sure they could fix him. But the guy was not sure he wanted to give up his ecstatic visions.

I suppose religion is wired into us. As long as there are humans we will have religions or something like it. In the United States we are hammer down to a religion of science. I do not mean true science, but this merging of Christian theology with science. Call it creationism or intelligent design.

I wonder why Muslims in the United States do not seem to face the same problems as their co religionists in Europe? Why do Muslims in the United States seem to be able to get ahead? Why do Muslims in the United States seem to adjust to life here so much better than the immigrants in Europe do? It could not possibly be that Europe is just as screwed up as the United States, or could it?

I see it as testosterone poisoning. Every one wants a piece of that mighty smighty patriarchial G-d of the Jews. I suppose that is what attracted me to the Quakers, not that many religions co founded by a woman.

On an unrelated note I used a semicolon in this post. No idea why, it just seemed like the right thing to do. I am clueless about punctuation.

[microbe]

Why do Muslims in the United States seem to be able to get ahead?

They get ahead quite well in Europe too. Do you have Muslim Senators or Representatives? We do in the UK and I know other European countries have Muslims represented in government. In business they are hugely successful. Perhaps they have done so well in Europe they feel it is now time for stage two, whereas in America (like here for decades) it is prudent to keep a low profile. It takes a certain confidence to organise mass protests or to riot.

It is preposterous to believe the Danish Imams who first raised the objections to the cartoons are really that offended. How much more offensive to Islam is the worship of a false religion (Christianity) or a society in which women wear "immodest" clothing or a country in which the raising of pigs is its speciality. Yet none of these were offensive enough to them to prevent them from moving to Denmark and availing themselves of the freedoms and benefits of living in an "infidel" state. Just as they ignore the offensive (to Islam) elements of the society they CHOOSE to move to, they could ignore that newspaper. They did not. The millions of Muslims around the world who have rioted and died over this issue need not have been aware of it, never mind have even worse images presented by the Imams of Denmark. Then of course the right wing press have jumped on this and poured oil on the flames. There is something rotten in the state of Denmark all right.

[stilltrucking]

I keep mentioning Patriarchal religions and nobody seems interested in that. All I see is bunch of got dam men with beards running around raising Cain.

Our president of good of evil has killed more people than any Muslim riot has. And he is a Christian.


Herr Professor going to check out those links.
Maybe I am losing interest in this debate; I am more interested in talking about comic books and pubescent masturbation fantasies .

[mnaz]

Someone should draw a cartoon of Jesus riding atop an M1 tank as it fires on or bulldozes a village, then circulate it around the Bible belt....

The whole thing is ridiculous. It must amount to political maneuvering by those who wish to inflame anti-Muslim sentiment. I'm not sure exactly why. And did you hear the inflammatory statements by the Iranian president today? The West should "pay" for this, and those responsible should be "put on trial".... Oh my. What a dangerous dickhead that guy is. But there again, I think he's politicking; trying to play Islam against its "common Western enemy" He might be trying to rally widespread Muslim support for his regime, which is currently under attack by the West.

What a stupid mess.

[stilltrucking]

Cut and paste

Those Danish Cartoons
Don't Be Fooled, This Isn't an Issue of Islam versus Secularism
So now it's cartoons of the Prophet Mohamed with a bomb-shaped turban. Ambassadors are withdrawn from Denmark, Gulf nations clear their shelves of Danish produce, Gaza gunmen threaten the European Union. In Denmark, Fleming Rose, the "culture" editor of the pip-squeak newspaper which published these silly cartoons--last September, for heaven's sake--announces that we are witnessing a "clash of civilisations" between secular Western democracies and Islamic societies. This does prove, I suppose, that Danish journalists follow in the tradition of Hans Christian Anderson. Oh lordy, lordy. What we're witnessing is the childishness of civilisations.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle ... temID=9696


I like this guys take on it.

[microbe]

Someone should draw a cartoon of Jesus riding atop an M1 tank as it fires on or bulldozes a village, then circulate it around the Bible belt....

But that sort of thing happens all the time. There would be vocal reaction surely, but riots and deaths? Burning buildings and calling for execution of the author? There is no equivalent. The Muslim world can rightly condemn the warmongering of western states but that is not the issue. They are insisting we abide by their laws on pain of death. This is not a protest against US support of Israel or the war with Iraq. Like the Salman Rushdie affair this is an issue of whether we should be intimidated by threats of violence and murder into introducing regressive laws to protect "honour" or things "sacred" . If we take this to the bottom line we should ban all Muslims and destroy all mosques in western societies as it is blasphemous to Christianity. Have we evolved from witch burning and imprisoning heretics only to surrender to a similar medieval superstition? I am constantly reading that Islam is a religion of peace while simultaneously seeing the opposite in action. Not the suicide bombers or the extremists but the routine abominable treatment of women and the disgusting "justice" meted out in the name of Islam. The fact that the west has much to answer for as well doesn't allay the fear many people feel of an encroaching Islamic interference into our way of life. An interference that threatens to overturn liberal progress made painfully over generations.